Thats wrong what makes you think that? dont believe everything you hear on the net. First of all you cant say that there is ONLY one way of using HCG because its wrong, you can always use different methods to reach the same goal.
I can post a stude made on ex steroid users and they were given hcg/nola,clomid like a pct and it worked fine.
Also im on hrt on pregnyl 1500ius 3x week and all this talk that the leydig cells can be damaged is bullshit or in theory it can but in real life no the chance is 1 in 10miljon. Because think about it 1500-2000ius 3x week is the standard dose for HCG and in patients that are using it for months and not like bb:ers that use it for 2-4weeks only and none of them have had any problems and i asked my doc about this and he said that during his 24 years as a specialist he has never heard of a case where the leydig cells were damaged by HCG use.
Also people say that you should take HCg during and not after because you still have to recover from the HCG, well yes but my doc and 3 other HRT doctors i spoke to said thesame that its MUCH easier to recover from HCG use (and im taking longterm use for 1year or more) then AAS use so you cant compare it. But if you are shut down hard the best thing is to use 1500-2000ius of HCG 3x week and HMG 75ius 2x week for 2 weeks only and hcg for 4 weeks and nolva 20mg/ed.
Nolva over 20mg/ed is unnessecery because 20mg raises testo by almost 200% in studies and remember more is not always better infact all hormones or drugs like nolva can be counterproductive when overdosed.
this was dug up by doggcrapp off animals board.
The Study: Two hypogonadal former anabolic steroid users were studied. Normal levels of LH are >3.6 IU/L and Testosterone are 300—1000 ng/dl. Former anabolic steroid users often have suppressed levels of both.
The Results: Subject #1 is a 6', 206lb former user of 500—2000+ grams per week of anabolics. His baseline numbers were: LH<1IU/L, Test=191ng/dl. This suject underwent a 32 day treatment of 2500 IU of HCG every 4 days, 50 mg of Clomid 2 times per day, and 10 mg Nolvadex per day. 15 days after treatment his numbers were: LH=5.2IU/L, Test=1072 ng/dl.
Subject #2 is a 5'10", 184lb male who used 400 mg per week of nandrolone. His baseline numbers were: LH<1IU/L, Test=45ng/dl. This subject's 32 day treatment consisted of 2500 IU of HCG every 4 days, 50 mg of Clomid 2 times per day, and 10 mg Nolvadex per day. There was no change. He underwent another treatment consisting of 60 days of 5000 IU of HCG every 4 days for 4 injections, then 2500 IU every 4 days for 4 injections, 50 mg of Clomid 2 times per day, and 10 mg Nolvadex per day. Still, no change. For the next 32 days, this subject received 5000 IU of HCG every other day for 6 injections, then 2500 IU every other day for 6 injections given with 150 IU of menotropins(HMG), 50 mg of Clomid 2 times per day, and 10 mg Nolvadex 2 times per day. 15 days after treatment his numbers were: LH=9.8IU/L, Test=507 ng/dl.(20)
Comments: The authors of this paper have presented some very interesting data that the medical community needs to learn from. When dealing with former androgen users, there may be better ways to increase Testosterone than the standard patch treatment (which will only prolong the problem of decreased T production.) Hypogonadal former androgen users need a treatment, not a band-aid. If you need to jump start your Testosterone after an androgen cycle, this combination of HCG, Clomid, and Nolvadex may be just what the doctor ordered.
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